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August 28, 2007

PocketBible for the Mac?

Filed under: Industry Commentary, Company Insights — Craig Rairdin @ 12:55 pm

I’ve found myself having to address this question several times in the past few months, mostly in the comments to these blog articles. For the convenience of all you Mac users, I’m going to put this in its own article.

Let me explain some realities. First, while I’m deeply entrenched with Windows with seven or eight actively used Windows PCs in our 4-person household, I’m no Redmond apologist. I think Vista has some huge problems beginning with User Account Control (UAC), a feature Apple has mocked in their “Hi, I’m a Mac” TV ads. When it comes to UAC, if California courts can issue restraining orders against people who just talk about committing crimes, then I should make sure I stay here in Iowa.

The “Windows Genuine Advantage” program is another one that scares me. I have a tablet PC I carry in my airplane to display aviation maps and real-time weather information. Last year I installed a Windows update that ran the WGA program and declared that my computer had a bootleg copy of Windows on it. I’m sitting here looking at the hologram certificate from Sony but that wasn’t good enough and Microsoft reached out from Redmond through the WGA program and disabled my computer. I had to send it back to the vendor to have Windows re-installed (the backup CDs turned out to be faulty). So I’m no fan of Windows.

Second, I’ve owned a couple Macs, I’ve done Macintosh development, and I’ve done PDA development on a Mac (remember the Newton MessagePad?). At least two of the seven of us here at Laridian own Macs. So we’re not ignorant of the platform nor emotionally biased against it.

Third, even though we have existing code that could be ported to the Macintosh, in order for it to be truly great it needs to embrace the Zeitgeist of Macintosh. When we wrote QuickVerse for the Macintosh back in 1989, we brought along some user interface concepts from the PC that were foreign to the Mac, and took some heat from users. It’s necessary to understand not just how to write programs that run on a particular platform, but what makes that platform unique and its applications special. We’re hoping, for example, that our iPocketBible for iPhone will look and feel like an iPhone app — not just be a Bible program that runs on the iPhone.

So as we look at the Macintosh platform I hope we come to it without biases beyond the realities of the marketplace. And the main reality is market share. After some downward trends over the last few years, the Mac is back at around the 10% market share that it has always had. When we consider what it will cost to create a Mac version of our software, we have to look at the revenue potential. Can we pay for our development through sales of the program?

One way to estimate this is to compare it to sales of our desktop product. If the Mac is 10% of the personal computer market then we would expect it to do about 1/9th of the business that our Windows product is doing. While PocketBible for Windows is doing well, it’s not doing well enough that we’d be happy with only 1/9th of the revenue it’s generating.

To make matters worse, the new Macs can run Windows through programs like VMWare Fusion. Some Mac users are already purchasing PocketBible for Windows and running it on their Mac. So when we look at revenue potential we have to consider just the net increase in revenue from customers who haven’t already purchased the program. If as few as 10% of customers are already running PocketBible on their Macs, then that eliminates quite a few from the pool of potential buyers. We might then be looking at PocketBible for Macintosh revenues of 1/10th or less of the Windows sales.

When we look at costs, we might be tempted to conclude that the Mac version would be less expensive to create than the Windows version because of the large amount of code that could be shared. But the Windows version already benefited from the large amount of code that was shared from the Pocket PC version of PocketBible. Our Pocket PC code compiles unchanged for the desktop. Then when you add the learning curve involved to make the program not look like a Windows program ported to Macintosh, you can easily arrive at numbers that are actually greater than the cost of developing the program for Windows.

Finally, there’s the question of whether the Macintosh would be “just another platform” or a first-class, fully supported platform for our software. The primary impact of this is whether or not our other products, especially BookBuilder and the synchronization manager, would have to run on the Mac. The latter would be a large project (it was a large project on the PC!). It depends on technologies that don’t exist on the Mac. Similar capabilities exist, I’m sure, but these would have to be researched and implemented. This adds more time and money to the cost of the project.

Of course we’d have the option of not porting all of our desktop apps to the Mac, but then, why do it? This is one of the same reasons we haven’t done many non-English translations of the Bible. It seems to us that just shipping a Spanish Bible is not really addressing the market. What about a Spanish user interface, Spanish reference books, Spanish tech support, and a Spanish Web site? Plug in any other language into that question. Or plug in words like “Muslim” or “Catholic”. With the Mac, some of these issues are trivial, but Mac tech support is not. Sure, it might be easier than Windows support, but remember we’re primarily a Windows-oriented company and somebody has to learn all the “easy” Mac support stuff. It’s one more cost to consider.

What I hope you can see is that this is a non-trivial question and that there are costs here that go beyond simply porting the program to Mac. None of this is to say we’ll never do a Mac version; only to address the question of why we don’t have one now. If things change in the future, we’ll certainly approach the question again. In the meantime we continue to monitor the situation. As usual we appreciate your feedback.


53 Responses to “PocketBible for the Mac?”

  • John Brock comments:
    August 28th, 2007 at 1:35 pm

    Hi Craig:

    I completely understand. We want Laridian to have sufficent margin to employ quality staff and continue to advance products. I am a G4 owner (iMAC and Powerbook) so I can’t run the Bootcamp/Fusion options. My units are perfectly fine and I’m not contemplating a purchase soon. The software that comes with the MAC is good stuff and, while I run Office for the Mac now, I won’t get it in the future because iLife and iWork products will soon make that unnecessary. To buy Fusion just to run the Desktop version won’t happen. I would buy the product in a heartbeat if it were available for the MAC but I’m one of the sliver of the market you have identified. I think the quality of the Mac software is going to undermine Fusion except for the enterprise users. Frankly I’m so excited about the iPhone version that I can stand the disapointment of no Mac version for Desktop. IF THE iPHONE VERSION EVER GETS RELEASED !! :O)


  • Robert Mullen comments:
    August 28th, 2007 at 1:35 pm

    Craig, I know well what you are saying. The following links are about the company I work for:

    http://computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=298043&pageNumber=2
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/2uyw94

    The issues are certainly daunting at times but the road Microsoft is taking scares the daylights out of us from an IT standpoint. I am a long time MS developer and my entire career has been made from their technologies until now. They have gone in a direction that I think will be problematic though.

    The change isn’t easy but our company bucked the AS/400 trend (for our LOB) when MS was laughed at. We are attempting to do the same today with Apple.


  • Donald Stidwell comments:
    August 28th, 2007 at 2:05 pm

    Thanks for the insight, Craig. What you’ve written is pretty much about what I expected, and one certainly has to take the market realities into consideration.

    I’ve been happily using Pocket Bible on my PDAs for years, and will be purchasing the Windows version to run - as you guessed - under Parallels on my Macs. And that’s just fine with me since I’ll still be using PB on my PDAs 90% of the time anyway.

    Don


  • Nathan comments:
    August 28th, 2007 at 3:30 pm

    Wow… there is certainly a lot to it… Right now I think we are lacking any serious Mac-Intel Bible software. It’s an open market, but won’t be for long. Logos is on the way, and Accordance will get ported eventually… but right now I don’t know of any besides MacSword. But I’m sure there is enough to do to perfect what you have. I wouldn’t what you guys spreading yourself too thin.

    - nathan.


  • David Doyle comments:
    August 28th, 2007 at 4:13 pm

    Craig,

    Thanks for the update.

    What I’m wondering is this: could the iphone interface be tweaked so as to read books on the hard drive rather than only downloading resources?

    If so, and I realize I don’t know the complexities of doing this, wouldn’t this serve 90% of the functionality?

    You’ve mentioned in other posts that Mac can use the iphone version, so it leads me to wonder. If I can use Safari or Firefox to read off HDD, then I don’t need an web connection.

    Thanks for keeping us in the loop.


  • Craig Rairdin comments:
    August 31st, 2007 at 4:06 pm

    David,

    It helps to understand what the iPhone is and what it is not. It is a cell phone with a really nice Web browser and MP3 player. It is NOT a small desktop computer.

    Imagine your desktop computer but with only a Web browser and no CD-ROM, DVD, or floppy disk drives. It has Internet connectivity but no File Explorer. There’s no way to install software onto it. They only thing you can do with it is surf the Web. That’s what the iPhone is like.

    So iPocketBible is a Web site, not a program. Web sites can’t access the local storage on your device. There’s no way to get to the memory inside the iPhone from the Web.

    Furthermore, iPocketBible isn’t just a collection of HTML pages, but rather it’s what is euphemistically called a “Web 2.0″ site. In fact there are no HTML pages there at all; the server on the site generates HTML from the databases that represent the book, and sends that to the iPhone. It’s generated in real-time. There’s no HTML stored on the server.

    That means there’s no HTML pages to put onto the iPhone and access using its browser. Same goes for the Mac or the PC. The pages from iPocketBible.com can’t be stored on your Mac or PC. They can only be accessed through the Web site.

    In order to do what you’re suggesting we’d actually have to have our database server on the iPhone and run a small Web server to serve up snippets of HTML to the browser. That just can’t happen.

    When you see that Mac users can use the iPhone version, that means that because www.iPocketBible.com is just a Web site, any machine with a Web browser will be able to get to it. So since we don’t/won’t have Mac software, one option for Mac users it to subscribe to iPocketBible.com and access it over the Web. They won’t be able to download anything to their local machine even though a Mac has that capability in general. There’s nothing to download in this case.

    Hope this helps. It’s difficult to explain unless you really understand all the concepts. Once you do understand the concepts it makes a lot of sense.

    It’s also worth pointing out that we’re not alone with this limitation. There aren’t any third-party apps that run on your iPhone. Everything you see for the iPhone is running on a Web server and being accessed through the browser.


  • David Doyle comments:
    August 31st, 2007 at 7:41 pm

    Craig,
    That’s not what I meant, but can see how you got there. What if I take the phone interface you are developing and run it in Safari on my Mac book. That works, right? Next give me a way to put my Pocket Bible resources on my hard drive on mg Macbook. That way, when the internet is not available in the wilds of New Hampshire, I can still use the resources in an offline browser.
    The reason I’m asking is because the iphone is pretty useless off network.

    Anyway, it was just a thought for increased functionality on my Macbook.


  • Craig Rairdin comments:
    September 1st, 2007 at 12:04 am

    Yes, you can access iPocketBible.com from your Mac.

    Here’s the problem: “Next give me a way to put my PocketBible resources on my hard drive on my Macbook.” THAT’s what we can’t do. But let’s say that we would: What you’d need is some kind of SQL database server running on your Macbook. There probably is such a thing; it might be expensive or it might be open source. If it’s open source you may have to download it and compile it and configure it for your machine.

    So then you’d have the database and a database server on your Mac. But iPocketBible is still browser based so there’s no way to get to the data … unless you also installed a Web server on your Macbook. That is also available and it is either expensive or free. In either case you may have to download, configure, and compile it from the source files. Then you have to configure it to run correctly on your Mac without necessarily opening up access to it through your Internet connection to the outside world. There are people who pay a lot of money and spend a lot of time learning what it takes to be able to do that. It’s not something we could expect from a customer.

    OK so now you have a Web server and a database server running on your Mac. We’ll assume they can talk to each other and that there’s some kind of scripting language support. The scripting language better be ASP (VBScript) because that’s what our site is written in. I don’t know if ASP is available for the Apple OS but I bet it is. I bet it’s also difficult to set up unless you’re an IT professional.

    So now you need the actual code that runs on iPocketBible.com. Since the code is interpreted at run-time from the source, not compiled to executable binaries like the programs you run on your Mac, you’re talking about getting a source code license from us. I wouldn’t even begin to talk to anyone about a source code license without $100,000 on the table. Whether we’d actually license it for that amount or not would be a matter of negotiation. I’ve paid $200K for source code that did a lot less than iPocketBible does, and that was a number of years ago.

    To make a long story longer, the point is that while it can be done, it’s completely impractical and ridiculously expensive. I hope this helps clarify the situation. I appreciate your interest and I’m sorry it’s not as easy as it might at first appear.


  • David Doyle comments:
    September 1st, 2007 at 7:43 am

    Thanks for the detailed explanation. I get a better idea of the level of complexity of something that appears simple to one with no programming knowledge.

    I’ll enjoy the iPhone app when I’m connected and grouse about ATT when I’m not!

    Thanks Craig


  • Dan Frey comments:
    September 15th, 2007 at 6:01 am

    I appreciate the expanation of why it does not make good business sense to do a certain project. I hope that you will conisder that sometimes God asks his people to do things that does not make “good business sense” because it is the right thing to do.

    Although the situations are different when David went to fight Goliath it did not make sense to Saul to have a David who was younger and a shepherd and was not trained in the ways of fighting like Goliath was.

    I am not saying that people should ignore “good business sense” but rather prayfully consider a project and ask is this something that my God wants me to undertake and if it is then no matter what that “something” is we Need to do it faithfully and let God handle the outcome. If God’s people are faithful it will be prosperous.

    Again I am NOT saying that we should stop thinking about what projects to undertake in fact we should consider all aspects of any project. But please also consider prayfully ask is this something that God’s what me to do.

    Sincerly
    Dan


  • Craig Rairdin comments:
    September 15th, 2007 at 11:41 am

    Dan,

    This is a good admonition, but it may be more complex than you think.

    There are three cases to consider. First is when something is morally right but doesn’t make good business sense (and the converse, when something is morally wrong but does make good business sense). These would include situations like telling the truth to a customer even though it costs you the sale, or deciding not to start up a pornography site even though there’s money to be made. The decision of whether or not to do Mac software isn’t a moral decision. We can’t say that it’s biblically wrong to not do Mac software, nor that it’s biblically required that we do it.

    Second is when a person has a specific calling from God to do a thing. I believe this is what you’re talking about. I think these situations are more rare than one might believe. Think of the thousands of early Christians who we don’t read about in the Bible vs. the apostle Paul. The latter had a clear “Damascus Road” experience in which he was called to a specific task. The myriad converts he made in his travels and through his correspondence with churches for the most part continued with their lives.

    I would be concerned about being presumptuous to claim that God has called me to write Bible software for the Mac, come hell or high water. I’ve watched a lot of those people fail and fade into obscurity over the years. That wouldn’t have happened if God had truly called them. I think sometimes we mistake our desires for God’s calling. That’s easy to do, and it makes it all the more important to truly evaluate your situation.

    I think I can honestly say that God isn’t calling us to write Mac software. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it; it just means it’s not imperative that we do it.

    Finally we get down to the simple case of “counting the cost”. Jesus said you don’t build a tower without first counting the cost. This is basic decision making. You look at the options, evaluate the costs and rewards of each, and make a decision. This is a biblical model, and it’s the one we’ve applied in this case.

    Again, this is not to say we’d never to Bible software for the Mac. It’s just to say that we’re not doing it now — other than our Web-based product which will be coming on line in the next couple of days.

    Thanks again for the comment. This is a good exercise.


  • Dan Frey comments:
    September 15th, 2007 at 3:07 pm

    I agree with your statement completely and I appreciate the way you convey and state your point of view on the different subjects. I am guessing that you get alot of negative emails about why doesn’t Laridian do this or that and that was not the intention of my post and I hope it did not come across that way.

    Also I do like your software and have recomended it to others to use on thier PDA’s. I also know your software is being used to help open doors and help others spread the word of God.

    Sincerly
    Dan


  • Wally Johnson comments:
    September 18th, 2007 at 7:31 pm

    Craig,

    I understand the realities of business, but if possible I would love to see a Mac based Bible program by Laridian. I have tried Accordance and Quickverse, but still prefer MyBible on my Treo. I have used it for years on different PDA’s and have purchased at least a dozen different translations.

    I simply do not like the Windows platform and get frustrated every time I use a PC. I do not have an Intel-Mac and I doubt I would get Bootcamp or Parallels if I did. Mac’s may only be 10% of the market, but Mac users are very loyal once we find a good product like Laridian’s Bible programs.


  • Matt Hawkins comments:
    September 19th, 2007 at 1:06 pm

    Craig, I just want to point out what may be an inaccuracy in the market share numbers you’re using. I know Macs have been, are, and may forever be around 10% of the entire computer market. But that includes all corporate environments which your products aren’t really going to reach. When you compare home and student computing environments, I have to believe that Apple’s market share is much higher than the national average–maybe double or more. I would think this is the market where your products are primarily going to be used.

    I’m really grateful for Laridian’s MyBible. It’s made my Palm an invaluable study tool for 5 years now.


  • Craig Rairdin comments:
    September 19th, 2007 at 1:19 pm

    It’s not double but let’s say that it is. Let’s say, in fact, that it’s triple. Copy my article into your word processor, triple all the numbers, and it still makes a valid argument. (Don’t forget when you triple a fraction you divide the denominator by three. I don’t want the math to get in the way of making my point.) :-)

    In response to Wally’s comment about Mac users being small in number but loyal… They’re apparently not very loyal to the Mac apps that are already out there. Accordance has been there for years. Logos has a Mac app. I think QuickVerse does too. Accordance especially should have a devoted following because of their early and ongoing commitment to the Mac. Yet the people who mention them do so with disdain.

    Again, I’m completely and honestly not ruling out a Mac product in the future, and I appreciate all the feedback — that’s why I posted the article. I just want to be clear about what the landscape looks like from the perspective of a small software publisher with limited resources.


  • David Bruce comments:
    September 19th, 2007 at 9:45 pm

    First, I have been a Laridian customer for a couple hundred years (check it out, I own a bazillion bibles and books of yours). Nobody, and I mean nobody can touch your products. Which answers the question why users of Accordance are not that excited about it. I have a version of all of your programs (I tend to get bored with my PDA’s quickly) and there is just nothing out there that comes close to ease of function and simplicity of your programs. So, forget all that Windows stuff (that little platform won’t last) and lets get on with the Mac stuff!
    By the way, does the iPhonebible really work on my Mac? That would be tremendous!


  • Craig Rairdin comments:
    September 19th, 2007 at 10:05 pm

    iPocketBible works on your Mac as long as you have Safari 3 or later. (Is there anything later?) Anyway, it works. But right now it thinks it’s on an iPhone so it looks better if you give it a iPhone-sized window to run in. We’ll be working on making it friendlier to non-iPhone browsers as time goes on.

    Thanks for the vote of confidence. I’m sure if we did a Mac program it would be awesome. :-)


  • shelby black comments:
    September 22nd, 2007 at 2:20 pm

    While a Mac version would indeed be awesome, the whole reason I even bought a PDA was because I saw Laridian’s NIV Study Bible software. I was so excited at the idea of being able to carry the Bible (in numerous translations) around with me, that I bought it and a Palm the same day. I was quite happy that I could use my MAC to install the programs (as some of the PDA programs don’t even allow that).
    Let’s face it, there are MAC Bible programs out there. (I bought the NIV Study Bible Complete Library for MAC from Accordance back when I was running system 7, and it still runs on my OSX through their IVP Reference Collection program.) Not to mention, there are numerous free downloads for the MAC on the web…
    I am really appreciative that Laridian came up with such a fabulous Bible program that I can carry with me for when I’m NOT at my computer.
    Thank You. Thank You. Thank You.


  • Greg Harris comments:
    September 27th, 2007 at 10:24 pm

    Craig,

    Sorry to dredge up an old thread, but had to congratulate you on your gumption to write and defend such an article. As a “Jack of All Trades” system/network admin, I have to admit the I probably would have had a different take the trade-offs of writing such an article. However, you have done an outstanding job of customer service with this post. In today’s world, that alone deserves many kudos. While I would love to see the Mac app, I would fully defend your position. Use the right tool for the right job, (and what you know, which I assume is why you are using .net/asp).

    I guess, referring back to Dan’s post, the burden really lies on our prayers that a simple and effective solution would come through that would make the programming simple and that you would be able to add staff with the knowledge base to make it happen and support the products.

    Thanks for such great products!


  • James Abrahams comments:
    December 18th, 2007 at 4:35 am

    I wonder if Google Gears which allows offline web2.0 apps will be released for the iphone. That would be pretty cool because there isn’t that much syncronisation that needs to be done with pocket bible when the whole bible is already downloaded. That would mean your iphonebible could work across all apps.

    If you could add an ability to syncronise the Pocket PC to the Web bible, you could start building a very cool web2.0 - ey website.


  • Craig Rairdin comments:
    December 18th, 2007 at 10:57 am

    Google Gears isn’t sufficient to make an application like iPocketBible work offline. The problem is that it doesn’t duplicate the database code that runs on the server. You wouldn’t be able to perform searches, nor would you be able to create notes, bookmarks, and highlights.

    We will have the ability to sync both Pocket PC and iPhone with our desktop app soon.


  • Brian Whiteside comments:
    February 3rd, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    Thanks for the explanation and I have four macs at home of all lacking a desktop bible, until iPhone version. So thanks. Laridian has done such a good job on the iPhone version, which works on my home macs that I don’t need the desktop version. I love being able to read my bible on the iPhone and taking notes. Then being able to access those notes from any internet machine. LOVE IT, and I didn’t think I would at first. So, I would just skip the desktop version and develop a little bit more on the iPhone one that would detect that you have a desktop and change the web interface to enhance that experience.


  • Ron Collins comments:
    August 26th, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    Yes you can run Pocket Bible on the new imacs.

    I am running it on mine. How? For $99 I purchased Windows XP for the mac. I installed it and use the Microsoft operating system to run this software. This might be just running around the barn, but it will allow you to run Pocket Bible, on the iMac.

    Yes, I love Pocket Bible too!

    Ron


  • Craig Rairdin comments:
    August 26th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    In the time since I wrote this article last year I’ve acquired a dual quad core Mac Pro, on which I run both OS X and Windows XP. PocketBible works great in a Windows XP session. :-)


  • Tom Law comments:
    September 25th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Yes us Mac heads can dual book our Mac’s with Windows. But this is why I bought a Mac in the first place, was to not have to use Windows. I have to use Windows at work, but that doesn’t mean I really want to have to keep 2 OS’s updated and running on one piece of hardware. Sorry, I will only run Mac OS on my Mac hardware. Personal preference.

    I understand your cost analysis for development and totally have no problems with it at all. It is what we all do even when we purchase something at the store. It is interesting that we don’t use this model when deciding to have children. Most of us would not have been here, because our parents would have looked at the cost analysis/ROI and said to themselves “No way”. This is not a good analogy in this case but food for thought.

    Peace,
    -tom


  • Rich Griffin comments:
    November 12th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    That all sounds logical and reasonable. But, I still question whether you are missing the sailing ship. The iPhone is huge and applications from your competitors are rolling out to be used by this product. With all due respect your epocket web based application for the iPhone is outdated, slow and clumsy. Further, the VMWare and Fusion usage on the Mac is falling and vendors develop Mac applications. At the same time, the switch to the Mac is gathering steam–helped to be sure by problems and concerns with Vista.


  • Mike Cooke comments:
    February 13th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    As I understand it the MAC Gui is underpinned with a Unix OS. If you write code for Unix then your are one step closer to code for Linux. The market share for the MAC/Linux world is rising. Just a thought. Your desire to write Quality products at reasonable prices has always kept me as a proud customer. I recommend your products every chance I get.


  • Craig Rairdin comments:
    February 13th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    Thanks Mike. There’s some truth in what you say but it’s not actually that helpful. The C language and Unix are like a hand and a glove. You can’t separate them. The C language became C++ and Objective-C. C/C++ has been the primary programming language for everything for the last 30 years. Objective-C (and now Objective-C++) is the language of Mac OS X.

    We have about 200,000 lines of C++ code that we share between our Windows Mobile, Palm OS, Windows desktop, and iPhone applications. This code runs unaltered on all of those platforms. THAT’s where we get the benefit you’re talking about. However, the real issue is the UI on each of these systems. It’s very different.

    You wouldn’t be too far off if you said that 20% of the code in an application is user interface, and it takes 80% of the time. So when we bring all our shared C++ code to the Mac or the iPhone we’ve solved 80% of the problem but only saved 20% of the time. It’s the last 20% — the user interface — that takes time to get right.

    TECHNOLOGY UPDATE: I’ve added a MacBook to my pile of computers and find that I like traveling with it better than my old Windows laptop. The MacBook is heavier and the battery life is horrible compared to my Toshiba Portege 2000 but it boots up faster and the dual-core, 2.4GHz makes it faster for everything else it does.


  • Mike Smith comments:
    February 17th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    I switched to Macs about 1 1/2 years ago. Before I switched I purchased the Flash drive promo you offered with all of the versions I purchased. I loved the way you could just type the verse in the computer and the program would take you to the verse. Simple. I would love to see that ported to the Mac platform. I switched to escape the baggage of windows and will never put windows on my Mac. I want your product in my world without needing a wi-fi connection to get it. I think this site proves how bad the system you are working in is when I have to type an anti-spam word to send this to you. Your thought about the percent of Macs in the market assumes the same % of Mac users would use your product as the % of Windows users use it. I don’t know if that can be true. Aren’t most Mac users atheists?

    A believer in God and Mac!


  • Craig Rairdin comments:
    February 18th, 2009 at 12:27 am

    I’m not sure I get your point about the anti-spam word. You have to enter that whether you’re on a Mac or Windows PC so we know you’re a human. We even make Linux users enter the anti-spam word.

    My gut feel, and this is based on a combination of demographics and Bible, is that Christians tend to use Windows-based PCs as opposed to Macs. Now, before anyone goes postal, here’s the logic: Apple says Mac users are better educated and wealthier than the average population. The Bible says “not many wealthy” and “not many wise” are Christians. So… that kind of works against the Mac.

    So I agree with your point. So you’re saying any analysis we do of the Mac should assume that we will not see the same uptake from Mac users as Windows users, so we should perhaps cut our estimate from 1/9th of the Windows version to maybe 1/12th or even 1/18th. That’s bad news for the Mac, but your logic is biblical. :-)


  • Dan Wilson comments:
    February 18th, 2009 at 8:19 am

    One of the things this “logic” doesn’t factor in is that a much greater percentage of Mac users bought their Mac for themselves instead of it just being something they use at work. That means they are more likely to buy software that they want instead of just using what they were given at work. Another way of saying this is that the Mac has a much higher share of the home user market in the U.S. than it does of the overall worldwide PC market because so many Windows PCs are bought for business and/or in markets outside the US where price is a much bigger issue.

    Another factor is the lower amount of competition you would face on the Mac vs Windows. Mac users would love another good choice… PC users probably have a hard time deciding which software to buy. I’m not sure there is a clear leader in the Mac market.

    Another factor could hinge on how successful your iPhone product is. If it takes off, that will likely mean that it’s been picked up by a number of Mac users for use on their iPhones, further generating interest in a Mac version. You already have a lot of ’switchers’ who are asking you for a Mac version. The iPhone will expose you to a lot of folks who have been Mac users for years.

    Also, and you would know far better than I, but I would think that the process of creating an iPhone app would give you a head start with the development process for Mac software. Same dev environment. Many similar concepts, etc.

    My biggest concern for you about developing a Mac version is whether or not you would be able to create an app that had a Mac look and feel to it. It is possible that you are so steeped in the Windows way of doing things that any product you produced for the Mac would be too PC like. This may well be changing given all the former Windows users who are switching to the Mac but, at least in the past, Mac users have not taken kindly to Mac software that looked or felt like it was a port from a PC. If you ever do develop a Mac app, I hope you’ll spend some time implementing the look, feel and conventions of good Mac apps. The thing that makes me optimistic about your ability to do so is that you have a lot of experience on widely different platforms (pc, winmob, palm and now iPhone).


  • Dan Wilson comments:
    February 18th, 2009 at 8:38 am

    Note: Because I was reading the most recent post to the this thread in an RSS reader I thought that I was posting to the another thread. Looking more closely I realize that all of my points have been made “ad naseum”. I apologize if this took much extra time from anyone’s day! That said, I just had a hard time letting Craig’s point about “Mac users are Atheists so they won’t buy my software” be the last word. Of course, from the little I know of Craig, my post isn’t like to be the last word either. ;-)


  • Dale comments:
    February 18th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    While I am a Christian and a Mac user, I would have to agree with the statement that most Mac users are atheists (at a minimum agnostic). Not to say anything against PC users, but the majority of Mac users tend to be more tech savvy (hence the ability to switch to the Mac), and the larger percentage of those tend to have negative views toward religion. Now, I have not done any research or conducted any scientific surveys to back up these statements, so they remain my opinion and personal observation, but I make these statements so that you know I understand why the marketshare for a Mac application is not feasible. Not that I wouldn’t love to have one, I really would, because I don’t want to have to pay another company an arm and a leg for their product that won’t synch with my mobile device. Having chosen to switch to using Macs, that is the reality I was forced to accept, though. Continue to keep up the good work. You do provide an exceptional product at a very, very reasonable price.


  • Emma comments:
    March 5th, 2009 at 9:35 am

    Craig,

    Thank you for the work you are doing. I have been brought up on the mission field and although I have been blessed with the freedom to practice my faith, there are missionaries not as fortunate as myself that have had to try to memorize the bible by heart so that they could still preach and teach the Word of God when they entered places that banned bibles. I know my memorization skills are quite shoddy and so I thank God that I have unlimited access to the bible whether it be in print, online, for mac or not. Although this may be about the pocketbible for mac, it is good to take a step back and be encouraged with the demand and interest that can be seen for the Word of God - in whatever format or on whatever platform it be! Although I use an old mac and can’t afford an iphone (no matter - I have faith yet!) I want to thank you for continuing to make the pocketbible more accessible in whatever ways you can! :)


  • Jimmy comments:
    November 7th, 2009 at 3:48 am

    Hi Craig,

    You will be blessed if you put God’s word into more platform. Laridian success came through PocketBible on Win mobile. I am still using it everyday for my reading. But the iPhone is such a great tool and user interface. Your iPhone application is so simple and good (although I find moving pages a little strange, but it is OK). What you have done right is to allow us to USE the same book from Windows onto the iPhone. So cool.

    You just need to extend the same concept of allowing to access all our books and resources on the iMac, you will have a great product. No need to be very complicated. In fact, the same simplicity on the Windows platform will do.

    I think the Laridian value is not in complicated features, but keeping the application very simple, and allowing members/users to use the same resources across the platforms we own - Windows mobile, Windows, Mac, and iPhone.

    As for business return, you will be amazed that the simple application and the rich resources available will keep your business running for a long time. God’s word will always be in great demand.

    Go for the Mac OS X platform. Keep it simple like iphone. Also, apple may launch new device which makes the Laridian ecosystem even larger.


  • Paul Abell comments:
    November 14th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    Responding to Dale - I’m finding in the younger ‘new’ churches the Mac is more and more popular.

    As a church leaders and Mac user I really hope Laridian can get to the point where it will become profitable to make a Mac OS X version. In fact the program is so good that linked with the increasing awareness of it through iPhone use it could very easily be the number bible software to have on your Mac. Especially as the books will work on both your iPhone and Mac. Many Apple users seems to have both! Yes you use Parallels - and I do - but it is so cumbersome and slow to boot up and use compared to an actual Mac OS app.

    So still hoping and waiting… :-)


  • Adam Keegan comments:
    November 16th, 2009 at 9:11 am

    I appreciate the info in this post though have the following points:

    PocketBible has failed IMO on iPhone in it’s intended “not just Bible on iPhone but like a native iPhone app” with the lack of scrolling up & down instead using a side to side pagination (meaning you go to swipe down like in most iPhone apps and it doesn’t go to the next page but changes books).

    Mac users are more savvy, but the mac population is gaining momentum, especially in churches. more software is available for church tasks and the number of christian designers (web graphic and otherwise) is growing exponentially. Many large Churches that have media sections use Macs.

    People (like me) who run VMWare / Parralels just for Windows PocketBible - SURELY will fork out for native PocketBible on Mac? Love to hear from others I will be the first in line!

    Comment about Mac users being loyal - I agree and disagree. Mac users are a little ’smarter’ in their choices with software and loyal to developers that back up their software with ‘Mac-ness’.

    I think that PocketBible users are loyal too - especially ones like me who have invested a large sum in books. Of course I want to stick with and support PocketBible. A reservation here - as mentioned above the way turning pages on the iPhone PocketBible is configured has me close to going back to Olivetree (who have the ‘native’ scroll). If the Mac version was clunky & complicated to add books to or had a similar annoyance that affected useability for me I would go back to looking at Accordance / Logos etc and pickup Olivetree for good.

    Are there really more Agnostics / Athiests on mac? I have been blown away by using Mac forums for different Photography, Web Design etc and running into a HUGE number of Christians & Church organizations. I don’t recall any on windows forums taht I used for years & years. Obviously this is only my limited experience but it does glare in the face of the Athiest users figures…My take is that IF there are more Athiets PB is needed all the more - add a New Testament and ‘tract’ and get it into the hands of the hopeless. I’d donate to a project like that if revenue is the hold back.

    I agree that Apple are bound to continue in their up-trend. New products, smart marketing and more affordable and useable machines.

    I find it sad that in moving to Mac the last piece of quality software to find is the most important - the Bible (and study tools)! They all seem so clunky - and expensive for the library of books I am used to. Although I am not a big fan of the windows PocketBible (ESPECIALLY the long-winded install process for each book!) I love the way it is easy to go to a passage (just type eph 3.8 and ENTER and you’re there - and search is so easy it’s great. Bring this to Mac I’m in!!

    I personally know 10 people in Australia (without looking outside my family / close friends) who would buy it. Interestingly over half of these have used PocketBible on iPhone and have the same gripe as me. I guess this adds to the iPhone / Mac arguement!

    How many licences do you need to sell to make it a viable option Craig?

    :)


  • Craig Rairdin comments:
    November 16th, 2009 at 10:43 am

    Adam,

    PocketBible for iPhone responds to scrolling gestures (up and down) in all the same places you see it in other apps. You probably don’t have any/many other apps that present up to 250MB of text in one window like PocketBible does, but those that regularly do that (ebook reader apps) consistently use a paging model (swipe left/right to change pages) on the iPhone. In other words, PocketBible for the iPhone works like a native iPhone app.

    To answer your last question: More than 10. :-)


  • Jeffrey Treloar comments:
    November 17th, 2009 at 8:20 am

    I love this program and the implementation of features.

    I have several apps that use the paging model, i.e. swiping or tapping left/right to change pages; e.g. Kindle for iPhone, eReader, so I am very used to this method. However, I feel that this method is uniquely suited to reading books/novels where hundreds of pages are “turned” at a sitting. It would be very cumbersome to scroll hundreds of pages at a time.

    Conversely, Bible reading is most often focused on a particular passage or chapter. Rarely does a person read hundreds of pages at a time. I think that for this type of reading, scrolling is much easier to use and far more precise. Switching to a commentary or another resource keys in on the top verse. It is much easier to place that verse at the top with the scrolling method.

    I am not a programmer, so I do not appreciate the difficulties that are presented in putting “up to 250 MB of text in one window.” But clearly other Bible Readers put the same amount of text into a window and are able to utilize the scrolling method.

    It would be great if down the road scrolling could at least be presented as an option.

    Thanks for a fantastic program.

    Jeff


  • Craig Rairdin comments:
    November 17th, 2009 at 11:28 am

    > I am not a programmer, so I do not appreciate the difficulties that are presented in putting “up to 250 MB of text in one window.”

    But at least you recognize the core of the problem of me debating this issue with our customers. :-)

    You don’t need to read more than a dozen verses for the paging method to save you taps/gestures. You still have the same comprehension and eye-strain problems of scrolling even with a small number of verses; they’re just not as noticeable.

    This isn’t an issue of having to choose one or the other, it’s a case of the device having insufficient horsepower to handle scrolling our text.


  • Adam Keegan comments:
    November 29th, 2009 at 4:39 am

    Craig the tap zones may be in the same place - but they do an OPPOSITE TO EXPECTED thing.

    yes I would love scrolling - I agree with all the comments above about it being easier, more intuitive, faster, more accurate etc

    BUT PLEASE change the taps zones to DO something different or at least be configurable. I am not saying MOVE the tap zones.

    Have them so that they can be changed to “tap the bottom of the screen for next page of text” etc. This would be at least intuitive.

    This way if you can’t get scrolling to work at least there is a ‘half as good option’ for those of us who use iPhone extensively.

    I firmly disagree with your “PB works like a native iPhone app”. It is ONLY the few ereaders you mention that use pagination from left to right. What 10 or so apps out of the THOUSANDS available.

    How many more than 10? I know 10 - they are a number of reviews on the Apple Australia store - probably a lot more on the USA store - and the comments above. This leaves out the countless number who haven’t said anything.


  • Craig Rairdin comments:
    November 29th, 2009 at 9:35 am

    Adam,

    I replied to your previous comment in another thread and said the tap zones would be user-configurable in a future release. Not sure how many more times you want me to say that, so I’ll say it again here just in case this is the magic mention that pushes you over the edge: Tap zones will be customizable in a future release.

    I disagree that tapping the bottom of the screen to move the text from right to left is “more intuitive” than tapping the right side or flicking from right to left. However, intuition is in the eye of the beholder so I’ll put you down as a vote in favor of tapping/flicking perpendicular to the direction of motion.

    You really haven’t read anything I’ve written on this subject very carefully or you would see the flaws in your own arguments. Rather than revisit each of those I’ll just put you down as in favor of scrolling rather than paging through the text. There’s no need to post any further on the subject.


  • Adam comments:
    December 7th, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    Sorry Craig I have no idea why I posted this here. I won’t comment further on the taps zones & won’t bite at your tone / message here.

    I would love a Mac PB but agree that it seems too much for you guys at the moment. Better off getting what you have at the top of it’s class before launching into Mac. Unless of course another mac programmer joined you…

    Blessings


  • Craig Rairdin comments:
    December 8th, 2009 at 7:50 am

    You’re looking at an article we wrote over two years ago regarding the Mac. Don’t imply anything from it with respect to whether or not we think PocketBible for Mac is a possibility now or in the future.


  • Mark comments:
    January 1st, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Hi Craig,

    When iPhone first came out you argued copiously about why you didn’t think it would be a good idea to write a bible version for it. Then you wrote one that is as good as the old Quick Verse–really great. I genuinely appreciate your business considerations and purposes, but really, this isn’t about money is it? It’s about God’s Word, and I am sure you know that. Many great spiritual works have been done in the absence of practicality. That would be an understatement. If so, then wherever you make God’s Word more available, it has the potential of being fruitful to God’s purpose. You’ve already done a great job at it. Making it available for Mac will only be an extension of that good work. AND…I need a Mac Version of Quick Verse. I would use it to further advance the Gospel. Things like that are measured in higher terms. I’ve searched high and low, and I just can’t find anything that works like Quick Verse 5–especially the Boolean searches (–)AND(–). I’m sure many, many workers in Bible advancement would benefit from a Mac Version.

    Let’s do it. The iPhone version is my best argument in favor.

    Mark


  • Craig Rairdin comments:
    January 2nd, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    When the iPhone FIRST came out there was no way to write ANY software for it. People wanted us to write Bible software for it and we had to explain that it wasn’t possible. Then when the SDK was released there were a lot of questions about whether or not it would be possible to create a program like PocketBible within the limitations Apple was putting on the platform.

    As I wrote here on this blog, I played devil’s advocate in my comments here in order to get people to focus their arguments. They were making outrageous claims about the platform that couldn’t be backed with facts, and exhibited a deep lack of understanding about what was possible and what was not.

    It’s also the case that we had one of the first, if not THE first, Bible software products specifically for the iPhone at www.iPocketBible.com. We were never opposed to doing it once the phone became a reality. What we were opposed to was committing to developing a native app before Apple even acknowledged the existence of the device! (Which is what some of our customers were asking for!)

    We have ALWAYS said that we would develop for any mobile platform that was viable; that we’re not Windows Mobile or Palm OS bigots. Desktop platforms are a different story because that’s not primarily what we’re about. We did PocketBible for Windows because we needed an anchor point for all the user-created data that was being generated on mobile devices with no way to archive it nor to edit it in a more comfortable setting (full-size display and keyboard). So PocketBible for Windows came along not to compete with Logos, WordSearch, or QuickVerse, but simply as a way to view and synchronize your notes, highlights, bookmarks, and daily reading progress on a desktop computer with a big keyboard and big display.

    PocketBible for Windows doesn’t have near the sales numbers as Logos, WordSearch, or QuickVerse because we don’t promote it as a stand-alone solution. It would take some effort to get it to where it would compete favorably with those more mature products.

    Similarly, PocketBible for the Mac would be up against a significant amount of competition from existing products like Accordance, Logos, MacSword, QuickVerse, BibleExplorer, etc. These are all mature products that have established a foothold in the Mac market.

    I reject your assertion that this is only about making the Bible more available and that there aren’t or shouldn’t be any practical considerations. The very practical consideration is that we are a small company and we feed and clothe our families from the income we generate from Bible software. If we take time to do something that has no practical purpose (i.e. does not have the purpose of feeding and caring for our families) then we’re not only being unwise stewards, but I would argue we’re being UNbiblical with respect to our responsibilities.

    Furthermore, to try to argue that the Bible is unavailable or scarce on the Mac is nonsense. A quick Google search turns up 814,000 results and at least a half dozen programs just on the first page of results. Some of these offer dozens or hundreds of free reference books and thousands of purchasable reference titles.

    As always, none of this is to say that we won’t do or that we aren’t already working on a Mac version.

    All that said, I appreciate both your interest and your enthusiasm. We can’t talk about what we may or may not do in the future, but I agree there are valid arguments in favor of a Mac version of PocketBible.


  • Kay comments:
    January 2nd, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    I appreciate what you’ve done! I used your Palm versions for many years, and loved it. My Palm died, and I was lost until PocketBible was released for the iPhone. Even though there are features I liked better on the Palm, I’m not complaining. You’ve done a great job. I understand your comments about a Mac version. I love my Mac, but I don’t think it is your “duty” as a Christian to make a Mac version. God tells us to be good stewards, and part of good stewardship is looking at every angle and making the best decision. Thank you!


  • John West comments:
    January 6th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    I just want to chime in that I would love to be able to use the resources I have in my iphone on my mac. I really dislike the industries (Yes it is an industry, the sales of bible and christian related electronic materials is of decent size) need for me to repay for the same translations over and over. I have paid for the NIV bible now on Accordance, Laridian, and quickverse. You would think I would find one and stick with it, but they all have different merits. And paying for the same translation over and over is annoying, I guess theres always logos…


  • Robin Brenchley comments:
    April 7th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Hi Craig,

    I’m not going to complain about it pocketbible not working on the mac (promise) but am considering moving to mac anyway cos I’m fed up with my windows machines slowing to a crawl every 6 months or so… However I have heavily invested in Pocketbible since I first discovered it for Palm and now have just about every bible you do and both versions of the NIV study bi le, the ESV Study bible, the life application bible and the NASB lexicon one too!

    That would be a lot to buy for a new program so I have a couple of questions

    Anyway my first question is this, do you know if pocketbible is compatable with Parallels for Mac (which wouldn’t necesitate me buying a full copy of windows to put on my brand new MacBook?

    Secondly, are your bibles compatible with any other mac bible software?

    In His name,

    Robin


  • Craig Rairdin comments:
    April 7th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    I run PocketBible for Windows on my MacPro, which runs Windows XP under Parallels 5. Works fine.

    Almost all Bible software uses its own proprietary format for their Bibles, and PocketBible is no exception. Our Bibles are not compatible with other Mac Bible software.

    Craig


  • Ed comments:
    May 28th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    One more vote for a Mac version when/if it becomes possible.

    -Ed


  • Paul Immanuel comments:
    July 2nd, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Another vote for Pocket Bible for Mac. With the release of Logos for Mac, Notes for Mac, and Office for Mac, Pocket Bible turns out to be the only reason why I have to buy Windows for my Mac with Parallels. If you cannot support Mac OS X, another option would be to make it run under Wine. Then both Linux and Mac users can use Pocket Bible without windows. That would still be better than buying and running windows under virtualization software.


  • Paul Immanuel comments:
    July 2nd, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Another option would be to use Adobe Air. This would enable you to offer Pocket Bible for Windows, Mac and Linux. Of course, what I am suggesting may not be possible. I know enough programming to be dangerous!



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